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		<title>By: Martin Berger</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Martin Berger]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Dec 2010 21:17:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I assume &quot; ... network RAM and CPU speeds.&quot; is missing a comma: &quot; ... network, RAM and CPU speeds.&quot; This might make any sense.
Unfortunately the statement is not quite specific at all.
In case of db_flash_cache_file, SSDs might be a good bridge between ram (speed&amp;price) and hdd (speed&amp;price). But even this must be well planned. 
I read this quote like &#039;if SSD is used for data files, only a little db cache is needed anymore.&#039; Based on that interpretation I would not compare db-cache speed to IO speed - even with a ram-disk for the data files. Once again not tested/measured I am sure the same data block will be much faster accessed in the chain &quot;search_in_buffer -&gt; hit&quot; against &quot;(search_in_buffer -&gt; fail); tell_OS_to_do_IO; IO_is_done_by_OS; (probably_copy_block_into_buffer); -&gt; hit&quot;. In fact it&#039;s even more complex, but you got the point?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I assume &#8221; &#8230; network RAM and CPU speeds.&#8221; is missing a comma: &#8221; &#8230; network, RAM and CPU speeds.&#8221; This might make any sense.<br />
Unfortunately the statement is not quite specific at all.<br />
In case of db_flash_cache_file, SSDs might be a good bridge between ram (speed&amp;price) and hdd (speed&amp;price). But even this must be well planned.<br />
I read this quote like &#8216;if SSD is used for data files, only a little db cache is needed anymore.&#8217; Based on that interpretation I would not compare db-cache speed to IO speed &#8211; even with a ram-disk for the data files. Once again not tested/measured I am sure the same data block will be much faster accessed in the chain &#8220;search_in_buffer -&gt; hit&#8221; against &#8220;(search_in_buffer -&gt; fail); tell_OS_to_do_IO; IO_is_done_by_OS; (probably_copy_block_into_buffer); -&gt; hit&#8221;. In fact it&#8217;s even more complex, but you got the point?</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Hooper</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Charles Hooper]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Dec 2010 14:15:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Flado,

Excellent points.
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Anyone have access to some platter based hard drives from the 1960s that can do a head to head comparison with SSD drives?  I know that the hard drives from the early 1990s were able to achieve transfer speeds of 1MB per second, while a Crucial C300 256GB drive that retails for roughly $550 USD is able to hit speeds ranging from 270MB per second to 355MB per second depending on the controller used in the server.  (Is this perhaps a hint?)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Flado,</p>
<p>Excellent points.<br />
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<p>Anyone have access to some platter based hard drives from the 1960s that can do a head to head comparison with SSD drives?  I know that the hard drives from the early 1990s were able to achieve transfer speeds of 1MB per second, while a Crucial C300 256GB drive that retails for roughly $550 USD is able to hit speeds ranging from 270MB per second to 355MB per second depending on the controller used in the server.  (Is this perhaps a hint?)</p>
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		<title>By: Flado</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Flado]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Dec 2010 10:17:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Erm... 
* People are replacing the DDR RAM traditionally used for &quot;the Oracle data buffer cache&quot; with (Flash, I assume) SSDs? How?! And how replacing the Oracle data buffer cache with a slower storage speeds up I/O at the physical layer?
* What&#039;s &quot;network RAM&quot;?
* SSD has no channel contention? How is that, when even volatile RAM has it?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erm&#8230;<br />
* People are replacing the DDR RAM traditionally used for &#8220;the Oracle data buffer cache&#8221; with (Flash, I assume) SSDs? How?! And how replacing the Oracle data buffer cache with a slower storage speeds up I/O at the physical layer?<br />
* What&#8217;s &#8220;network RAM&#8221;?<br />
* SSD has no channel contention? How is that, when even volatile RAM has it?</p>
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